Talk:2006-01-12

Chat log: EPAstor is Eric Astor, Swarthmore '09  Hey everyone... yeah, no other Swat people yet  hm... not good.  Can't help that my e-mail today never went out... *frustrated* :-( lemme IM a couple people  k * davidg has joined #freeculture hey davidg :-) hello Eric Astor is here too  Hey! I think Ben Blonder is coming  cool ... and I think that's about it unfortunately but that's enough to get started  ah well... exactly. any planning is better than none Lauren is on her way too * miasmalmist has joined #freeculture  and we'll do the rest in person' * miasmalmist is now known as bblonder w00t  Hi Ben hi I guess we'll wait for Lauren to get here who else is here? * laurenstokes has joined #freeculture alright, we have Eric Astor, David German, Ben Blonder, Lauren Stokes, and myself, Nelson Pavlosky  I was doing that... *laughs* w00t alex benn just showed up online alright, I'll poke him too it's a party in here!  sweet  WAN Party, I guess... well, let's get started EPAstor: where's the agenda?  On the website, linked from the meetings page... aha, me = slow http://swatwiki.freeculture.org/index.php/2006-01-12 someone wanna take minutes? * skyfaller changes topic to 'Free Culture Swarthmore has taken over | http://swatwiki.freeculture.org/index.php/2006-01-12�'  Hey, I wrote the agenda. EPAstor: you're excused ;-)  lol why don't we just keep the chat log? bblonder: b/c it's a pain to read through chatlogs whee deafening silence  indeed. <EPAstor> ben, david, lauren? minutes? well, someone can read through the chatlogs and write up minutes afterwards, right? <EPAstor> good point laurenstokes: Yes, if they're willing to do so * bblonder has quit IRC ("Leaving"�) it's just if we want other people to know what we decided etc. minutes are good oh well I'll take minutes AND run the meeting, because I'm just that good <EPAstor> okay... well, let's move through the agenda, and someone can do minutes in retrospect... okay, great So who's going to SAC? * bblonder has joined #freeculture lost my connection there; sorry bblonder: np, we're just thinking about SAC now <EPAstor> I'd be willing - not sure how convincing <EPAstor> so probably not a good idea EPAstor: It's been a success two years in a row, there's nothing to  convince about <EPAstor> ah I might still be able to go <EPAstor> Lauren, I'll be backup for you * laurenstokes has quit IRC ("yossman.net freenode.net/wikipedia webchat CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2005) (EOF)"�) :-( * laurenstokes has joined #freeculture OK, so between the two of you can you take care of SAC? <EPAstor> *blinks* Anyway, I'll be backup as needed * laurenstokes has quit IRC (Client Quit�) :-( :-( <EPAstor> That's a yes. I <EPAstor> I'll take it as needed hm, her internet must have gone out, she's off AIM too moving along then... where do the consoles come from, most importantly the Xbox? <EPAstor> Rental place nearby? <EPAstor> the aforementioned being a question in the past they came from people we borrowed them off of <EPAstor> that would be better, naturally... I have a friend with an Xbox, not sure I can get it, but I can try bblonder: correct, but do we have enough friends this year, or has  everyone been anti-social? <EPAstor> what about games? * laurenstokes has joined #freeculture sorry. <EPAstor> no problem who's going to SAC? <EPAstor> you or me, as needed don't know, nelson, but we ought to ask around OK, so Eric has one potential Xbox awesome, thanks, Eric. we need 4 to be awesome i think alex has some stuff OK, let's assume he can hunt down one until he tells us more <EPAstor> so that's two... Adam Lizzi said he can prob bring an NES ^_^ <EPAstor> and can't they network or something? EPAstor: Yes, that's the point not the NES :) <EPAstor> ah... whoops <EPAstor> lol... anyway. Okay, so more XBox... :-) those are all the sources I know I'm sure if we put up signs in ML or something Blake usually has one if he wants to come so yeah, I guess start asking around actually, we should just ask the FUN list or our list good call or both <EPAstor> that's abuse if I've ever heard it... but good call we should wait until we get back, when people actually read fun hey, our LAN party is fun bblonder: good point alright, next, TVs traditionally we get them from the Engin department do we have any engineers in here? yes * arador has joined #freeculture arador is Miles Skorpen from Swarthmore davidg: would you like to ask the Engin department if we can borrow 4 TVs? <EPAstor> hey miles eehello I think Benitez talked to Prof. Cheever last year about that. Sure, I'll take care of it. sorry im late. i intended to come @ the beginning, and completely forgot. davidg: OK, awesome... ping Benitez if you need help arador: It's OK, it got started kinda late <EPAstor> cool, good start. OK, so the TVs are taken care of <EPAstor> Are we moving along the agenda, then? Space - is it really reserved? I can e-mail them again asking about it. laurenstokes: OK, that would be good can we consider space taken care of then? lauren, check on the website if it says we have it there, we're OK bblonder: good call hang on, i can do that what date should i be looking at? <EPAstor> the 28th, hopefully... right? oh, actually, it does say we have it. oh, n/m great <EPAstor> oh, excellent oh, w00t sweet. then we're good for space and I told them we needed to setup at six, so that should be fine. double w00t moving on then.... networking - can someone bring a wireless access point? I can bring my 8 port switch, which should cover the desktops and ethernet people but if someone else brought a hub that would be good we can probably borrow them from people i know a few folks in ML have them is David G David German? ... hm, the agenda says "or campus wireless" ... is the wireless in 199 actually any good? i think the fishbowl people have one. yup, that's him arador: Yes, I am. No, we don't. ah. hrm. well i have a wireless point i can bring I think it is OK. i have one...but i'm not sure it is working in 199. it's a WRT54G, don't know how beefy it'll be but it'll do laurenstokes: Ah, well, then we're good between 199's native wireless, and Ben's WAP, we   should be fine one of them will work or both <EPAstor> WRT54G? We're fine then... hell, it's one of the best out there consumer-level I'm not picky moving along then.... this isn't on the agenda, but power strips? I guess we can just ask everyone to bring them <EPAstor> I can bring a strip - but no surge protection on it, I'm afraid but they do need to exist, and in large quantities and extension cords, possibly bblonder: good call i forget how the plugs are laid out bblonder: mostly in the front of the room <EPAstor> my strip is sort of an extension cord... hm. with a couple in the back i think most are at least somewhat also extension cords. <EPAstor> hm... do we need decent ones, or are cheap okay? cheap <EPAstor> because it might just be feasible to buy a few with long cords that's not in our budget but it could be :) EPAstor: nah, there are plenty in people's rooms yeah, I can bring one too. and an extension cord. <EPAstor> okay, it'll add up fast enough then w00t! I can bring a couple too so everyone just bring a power strip and extension cords if you've got 'em moving on then.. hey, that's all I have down on the agenda for the LAN party let's open the floor what are we forgetting? um lauren, did you get my email re: budget? I did... will they give us that cash? probably doesn't hurt to ask photocopies are plausible should we somehow set up a list of gamse we want the max number of    people to have? so that time isn't wasted while everyone pirates different    games? *games or make sure some people have CR-Rs + most recent patches for a bunch of    games? *CD-Rs arador: no, we should centrally coordinate we should solicit suggestions from FUN, perhaps we should have copies of the games that we want to play at minimum we should have a few spindles of CD-Rs to burn/transfer stuff well yea. for games like Starcraft people need CDs. To start a list: Starcraft, UT, UT2k4, C&C:Generals, Doom 3, Halo, ... might want some lower-requirements ones too UT? <EPAstor> Starcraft is lower-requirements like the original warcraft, bolo, etc BZFlag UT and Starcraft are pretty low reqs should we add this to the wiki? yes i mention the older games particularly for novelty value <EPAstor> true... by the way: DDR? ooh absolutely that was big last year, i recall def need a couple DDR pads does adam lizzi have those? I'll ask.... <EPAstor> Ideally, we'll have sturdier ones than standard vinyl - besides, those will slide like crazy on a normal floor he may be AFK ATM eric - duct tape hah. i was about to say that. :P fear not i can bring the tape yay <EPAstor> Excellent <EPAstor> so for DDR, we need at least 1 PS2 someone must have one we just have to find him/her and take it <EPAstor> I'd think so... if necessary, I might be able to get mine from home...   but that'd be a utter pain. <EPAstor> (Because it needs to get back home after) maybe we should get some of these : http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/200601 12/foosh-energy-mints/ :p <EPAstor> um... lol I don't know the details, but I've seen DDR pads used with computers in   the past. does someone want to be in charge of hunting down DDR pads? just find the DDR club or something is there a DDR club? I think they defunct-ed. well, I'm sure they didn't throw away their DDR pads when they did... <EPAstor> I know there are DDR people on campus... that's not a problem, we just need to find them so who's finding them *not it* <EPAstor> *not it* <EPAstor> ben, david? Lauren & I are already on SAC duty arador? i'm not on SAC duty i've got seminar no, we're talking about finding DDR pads how would one go about finding them? afk for a bit. asking people who might know where to find DDR pads, until you get someone who actually has one might again be a job for the FUN list ... or asking the FUN list :-/ as a first stab *not it* i'll email FUN, when we get back how about that ok <EPAstor> k, cool ok, I guess we can decide who's ordering pizza and such when we get back one thing I'd like to do is promote open source games, or do   something else free culture-y I'd like to have at least a symbolic tie-in it'd be nice if we had a media server to plug <EPAstor> erm... what open-source games? <EPAstor> ben: not happening, you wouldn't believe the pain those guys went through to set it up. elaborate? <EPAstor> fairly. no, i meant that as a verb <EPAstor> ah bzflag, battle for wesnoth, frozen bubble, scorched3d, armagetron advanced... <EPAstor> Let's just say the tools they used are fairly barebones, and the components are all cobbled together <EPAstor> manually, with quite the handful of configuration <EPAstor> As noted by the many failures of the system... i'm behind, i guess - it exists? <EPAstor> not ours... ourmedia.org oh i was thinking something simpler just a big fileshare, where people could dump and download things <EPAstor> possible - not in two weeks, unless you can get us a   server it'd do for the LAN party <EPAstor> And that's running close on the legal side of things, but *shrugs* everyone has write and read privileges, but no delete or something like that <EPAstor> we'd need the server, though - and that means money <EPAstor> probably under $1k... but where to find even $500? well if someone has an extra box laying around we'd be golden <EPAstor> with that much space? <EPAstor> *shrugs don't need a ton <EPAstor> I know I don't anything would do ... anyone wanna ask SBC for $500? or is this another idea for the rubbish bin? I hear deafening silence maybe spring budgeting ask SBC for 500 for a party? laurenstokes: no, for a computer to serve as a media server, which won't just be for the party <EPAstor> erg... well, I'll see what I can spec out, but $500 is a BARE minumum <EPAstor> *minimum do they have separate procedures for requesting that sort of thing? EPAstor: we can just get a Mac Mini Eric - I disagree buy some crappy old machine off ebay, buy a huge HD, and you're done ... and Ben's idea is even better <EPAstor> bblonder: And it dies in a year. maybe you still have the HD; that's new hey, I'll be graduated, then it'll be your problem ^_^ i think it's a good idea <EPAstor> bblonder: Look, I can put the core together for under $300. We need at   least a basic monitor, and a big HD EPAstor: there have to be spare monitors lying around, I know we    stole a few from the rubbish sale last year <EPAstor> If you're honestly telling me you can get a DECENT core for under $300 from ebay, I'll be impressed we'd still need those 300 dollars. i'm telling you i can get a five or six year old machine off ebay for maybe $10 and then spend $200 on a hard drive, and be happy if it dies, we buy another $10 machine <EPAstor> bblonder: I'll look at any auction of a machine you care to show. <EPAstor> bblonder: open-minded, too... I mean it when I say I'll  be impressed/interested so the question comes back to whether anyone wants to   SBC it up Lauren asked whether there's separate procedures for requesting that sort of thing <EPAstor> my worry is what happens when they point out that this is essentially a license to share files, copyrighted or not - and that's illegal, and they may therefore not fund <EPAstor> That's a question of what's our response EPAstor: well, the idea would be to share legal stuff <EPAstor> the idea. I know - but they'll say it too. student produced stuff, and CC-licensed / public domain stuff http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-K6-2-475-MHZ-DESKTOP-COMPUTER_W0QQitemZ87499406 86QQcategoryZ51116QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem wow, that's an ugly URL * Retrieving #freeculture modes... <EPAstor> RAM's a little short for a many-way accessed box, but it's okay... I   take your point, and we can look more later all i'm saying is that crappy is cheap we can do it for a lot less than you'd think OK, so if nobody here wants to go to SBC for it, we'll table this until we get back <EPAstor> Possibly. Still, $200 min for HD <EPAstor> right - sorry well, I would go if I knew the procedure. i'm treasurer for the fencing club i can tell you how it works if you want to learn I'd be interested. my IM is 'miasmalmist' i've got to leave in a few minutes, but tomorrow ask me w00t! OK, so Ben will teach Lauren and she will go, once we draw up   a proposal there is a separate procedure from partying, right? yup laurenstokes: yes <EPAstor> yes - different committees OK, Eric and Ben, can you figure out a price and draw up a proposal? <EPAstor> sure - ben, we'll talk on IM sometime. I'm Aricle and I'm hetJabberwock, once y'all have a proposal. OK, cool right-o any last thoughts about the LAN party? I'd like to test some open source games with you guys at some point when we get back so we can find some non-sucky ones to recommend <EPAstor> sure ... any other last thoughts? * laurenstokes has quit IRC ("yossman.net freenode.net/wikipedia webchat CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2005) (EOF)"�) nope we're set? OK, let's call it a night sounds good 'night * bblonder has quit IRC ("Leaving"�) thanks for coming guys feel free to lurk in here it could be a fun IRC channel if people stuck around more ;-) <EPAstor> night * skyfaller changes topic to 'Come to our NYC summit! http://freeculture.org/nyc/�'